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John Williams

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  • Name  John Williams 
    Born  Abt 1659  Gilltalgarth, Merionethshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender  Male 
    Died  Abt 1736  Montgomery, Pennsylvania, USA Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID  I6995  My Genealogy
    Last Modified  10 Oct 2012 

    Family 1  Mary verch Evans,   b. 1671, Wales, United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1698, Merion Township, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married  Abt 1685  Wales, United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. William Williams,   b. Abt 1689, Merion Township, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 26 Oct 1776
     2. Theophilus Williams,   b. Abt 1690, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 17 Oct 1765, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, USA Find all individuals with events at this location
     3. Thomas Williams,   b. Abt 1690,   d. 18 Aug 1741, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, USA Find all individuals with events at this location
     4. Anne Williams,   b. 8 Jan 1693, Merion Township, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 Sep 1773, Richland MM, Bucks, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified  27 Nov 2010 
    Family ID  F1967  Group Sheet

    Family 2  Catherine Griffith,   b. 1660, Gilltalgarth, Merionethshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 17 Oct 1748, Gwynedd mm, Montgomery, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married  12 May 1714  Gwynedd mm, Montgomery, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Catherine married third John Williams of Montgomery township. Here is an abstract of the wedding certificate with the list of those signing:

      John William, Montgomery, widower married Catharine Edwards, of same, widow, at Gwynedd meeting house, 3rd mo (May) 12, 1714. Column 4 - Signing below bride and groom: Hugh Griffith, Lewis William, Wm Williams, Cadr Morris (her son by her first marriage), Theo Williams, Hugh ffoulke, Griff: Edwards, David Griffith, Evan Evans, Rowland Hugh, Owen Owens, Robt Evan, Owen Evan, Robt Jones. Col 3: Ellin Morgan, Ellin Hugh, Anne ffoulke, Jane Evan, Sarah Pugh, Lettice William, Anne Roberts, Eliza Thomas, Martha Todd, Cath: William, Eliza: Davies Gaenor Humphrey, Ellin ffoulke, Ellin Parry, Bridget Griffith, Lowry Jones, Ellin Hugh. Col 2: Anne Owens, Gwen ffoulke, Margret Humphrey, Eliza Evans, Col 1 (most left): Rowland Ellis, Ellis Pugh, Tho: Evan, Rees Thomas, Row: Powell, James Streater, Edd Rees, Edd ffoulke, Cadr Evans, Jno Hugh, Jno Humphrey, Evan Griffith, Edd Griffith, Tho: ffoulke, Griff: Miles, Jos: Todd.

      It is likely she lived near the Hatfield line as her step son Theophilus Williams, who married Grace Foulke, Edward's daughter, lived at the upper end of Montgomery township, adjoining the Hatfield line, is shown by the description of the road laid out from there, downward, through the township.
    Last Modified  10 Oct 2012 
    Family ID  F3852  Group Sheet

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsMarried - Abt 1685 - Wales, United Kingdom Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 12 May 1714 - Gwynedd mm, Montgomery, Pennsylvania Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - Abt 1736 - Montgomery, Pennsylvania, USA Link to Google Earth
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  • Notes 
    • John immigrated from Merionethshire Wales to Merion twp., Philadelphia Co., Pennsylvania about 1687. He removed from Merion twp. to Montgomery twp. north of Gwynedd meeting in 1706 with his children.

      1734 Montgomery township tax list:
      William Williams 200 acres
      John Williams 100 acres
      Thomas Williams 100 acres

      Will abstract:

      JOHN WILLIAM, Montgomery, Co. of Philadelphia. Yeoman. 4 mo. 25, 1735/6. August 2, 1736. E.377.
      Wife: Catherine.
      Children: William, Ann Foulk and Theopholus. Son-in-Law: Hugh Foulk.
      Exec: Catherine, William and Theopholus, William and Hugh Foulk.
      Preparative meeting at Gwynedd for Poor People.
      Grandchildren: Children of sons William and Theopholus, and daughter Ann Foulk.
      Overseers: John Jones, Cadwalader Evans, George Lewis and William Morgan.
      Wit: William Morgan and John Jones.
    • (Research):MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE of Richard William and Margaret Eaton, widow
      Whereas Richard William of Gwynedd Township
      Philadelphia County of the Province of Pennsilvania (sic) Bachelor and Margaret
      Eaton of the Township, County & Province aforesaid Widow Having
      stated their intentions of marriage to each other before
      .....Monthly Meeting of the People Called Quakers .... of
      Gwynedd ......................................................................
      ...after Deliberate Consideration thereof and having
      Consent of Parties and Relations Concerned was by said meeting
      Left to their Liberty to Accomplish their said Intentions ...
      There are to .... all Whom ... Concern . Therefore
      ...Full Accomplishing of Their Said Intention This
      Tenth Day of the Seventh Month of the Year of Our Lord
      One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventeen. They the
      Said Richard William and Margaret Eaton Approved of
      A Publick Meeting of the Said People of Gwynedd Aforesaid
      And of Said Rich William Taking the Aforesaid Margaret
      Eaton by the Hand and in a Solemn Manner openly
      Declared that he took her to be his Wife promising through
      God's Assistance To be unto her a Faithfull and Loving Husband
      Till Death Should Separate Them And Then And Therein the
      Said Assembly the Said Margarett Eatton did Likewise Declare
      She Took Said Richard William to be to her husband in like
      Manner Promising to be unto him a Faithfull and Loving
      Wife Till Death Should Separate Them and ..... the
      Said Richard and Margaret / She According to the
      Custom of Marriage Assuming the Name of Her Husband /
      As a Further Confirmation Thereof Did Them (?) and These (?) to
      Those Present Set Their Hands and we Who ........
      Here Under Written being Among Other Present and ....
      Solemnization for Said Marriage and Subscription for
      Manner attest as Witnesses Thereunto know ... .. These
      Persons Set Our Hands the Day and Year Above Written
      Richard William (groom)«tab»Robert Evans«tab»«tab»
      Margaret William (bride)«tab»Thomas Evans (1651-1738 m. Ann)«tab»Obscured name here?«tab»
      «tab»Owen Evans«tab»Elizabeth Morgan (wife of Edward Sr.)«tab»
      John William (probable father)«tab»Cadwalader Evan«tab»Catherine William (wife of John William)«tab»
      Edward Morgan«tab»John Humphrey«tab»Ellin Robert«tab»
      William Morgan«tab»Edward W?«tab»J. (Jane?) ? (Hugh?)«tab»
      John Morgan«tab»John W? «tab»Mary ? or Marg.«tab»
      Daniel Morgan«tab»Edward Robert«tab»Jane Evan«tab»
      Morgan Morgan«tab»Evan Pugh«tab»Gainor Humphrey «tab»
      ? Robert«tab»Thomas Foulke«tab»«tab»
      «tab»Thomas Evan«tab»«tab»
      «tab»Hugh Jones«tab»«tab»
      «tab»Hugh Evan«tab»«tab»






      Jno Williams is likely the brother of Richard Williams We know his brother John is of Gwynedd because he leaves a will and names Richard as brother and an overseer in 1726. This brother John may be the one who married Catherine Morgan in 1707 as found in the Radnor MM records. Or he may, instead, be is the John, widower who marries Catherine Edwards, widow, 1714 in the Gwynedd records or he could be both. It is very unlikely that either John or Richard are the sons of Robert Williams of Uwchlan (as some think) as this Robert appears to have a son John who married Jane Jones.
      There is an older John Williams of Montgomery who could be Richard's father (b Wales, migrated to Merion, Philadelphia County, then to Montgomery twp., Philadelphia County) first married Mary Evans. She died in 1698 and John, widower could be the one who married Catherine Edwards, widow at Gwynedd in 1714 (see alternative hypothesis above). These Williams of Montgomery township do not sign the wedding certificate of Richard William, so are probably not relatives.
      Thomas, Robert , Owen and Cadwalader Evans are the four original Evans brothers, first settlers of Gwynedd. It is possible, but until this point not known, that they are brothers of the groom's mother. Evan Pugh's mother was a sister of these four brothers and Hugh Evan is his son. Evan Pugh later migrates to Hampshire Co., Virginia (now West Virginia).
      John Humphrey is an original settler of Gwynedd. It is not known how he is related to the other Gwynedd settlers. He was one of the first Quaker ministers and later became wealthy and the community's money lender.
      Thomas Foulke is an original settler (his father Edward is the patriarch of all the Gwynedd Foulkes) and is married to Gwen Evans. Gwen Evans is the daughter of David ap Evan ap William. Her grandfather (Evan ap William of Llanfacreth, Wales) may be a lead on the ancestry of John Williams. Gainor Humphrey (m. Robert Humphrey) above is another sister of Gwen Evans and daughter of David ap Evan.
      Hugh Jones is a complete unknown. He could be a son of a man whose last name is Jones or whose first name is John.
      Where are the other known sons of John Williams? Theophilus, Thomas and William...
      No members of the Eaton family sign this document. Then Eatons are generally from Oxford township, but a branch of the family settled in Montgomery and Joseph Eaton became an early minister at Montgomery Baptist Church. It is assumed that Margaret's first husband was an Eaton. Oxford township, Philadelphia county, was a center of the Keith Schism in the 1690s which resulted in the conversion of many Quakers to Baptists. It is likely that Margaret Williams is the one who in the 1750s removes from Gwynedd MM to Montgomery Baptist Meeting.
      The prominent position of the Morgan family on this document makes one wonder if Margaret is not a member of this family. However Edward and Elizabeth Morgan's daughter Margaret is thought to be the one who married Samuel Thomas 1713 at Gwynedd and later removes with him to Richland. The list of names appears to be Edward Morgan the patriarch of this family and his sons William, John, Daniel and Morgan. Son Edward Jr. may have died by this time and son Joseph (b. 1702) may have been too young to sign. Alternatively the Morgan family could be relatives of Richards or they could just be friends and neighbors. In that case, could Margaret be an Evans?
      Ellin Roberts may be the daughter of Humphrey Ellis who married Cadwallader Roberts.
      Almost everyone above is either from the north of Wales or a descendant. They come from the mountainous region today marked by a 35 mile stretch of the highways A494 and A5 from Dolgellau to Llangollen and centered on Bala in Merionethshire. Much of this is the valley of the River Dee (Afon Dyfrdwy) and the western portion adjoins Snowdonia National Park.
      The genealogy of Richard Williams is in a somewhat confused state on the internet at present. He is almost surely not the Richard Williams who moves to Loudoun Co., VA in the 1760s and writes a will in 1797. Richard and Margaret are much too old for this man who has a son Enos in 1759 (Margaret Eaton would likely be over 60 as the above is her second marriage and Enos birthdate is from his tomb stone at Fairfax MH). It is possible that they are related as Richard's possible brother William does go to Loudoun Co., VA in the 1740s.